If any country embodies the notion that demographics are destiny, it is Israel. So it seems appropriate to be writing about how demographics will shape the world in the next few years from a small terrace overlooking Deizengoff Street in central Tel Aviv. The street is teeming with life, the liberal, tolerant life that has made this city almost a state within a state.
While much of the rest of Israel has become increasingly religious, zealous, intolerant and atavistic, Tel Aviv remains open and tolerant. The headlines in the paper today are condemning religious Jewish settler youths for terrorising Arabs in the West Bank. But the tone of the article is admonishing ordinary concerned Israelis for only paying attention to these youths when they injure a member of the Israeli army, as happened on Monday, rather than when they attack defenceless Arabs, which is a daily occurrence. The debate rages with most in this city embarrassed by, and fed up with, the settlers.
In the street, the shops and malls, you regularly hear Arabic but you also hear Russian, French and English — evidence of the extraordinary diversity in this city. Far from being a dull uni-dimensional, conformist place, the city is full of all sorts — Jews who have come from as diverse places as Yemen and Somalia, Lublin and Dublin.
And each wave of immigration gave Israel an economic boost, changing the nature of the place. Without immigration there would be no Israel, but when there is not a huge wave of immigrants — whether into this place or indeed Ireland — it is easy to forget that the population is always changing.
While it is obvious that demographics are destiny — because without demographics you have no destiny — sometimes population changes happen slowly so we don’t realise things have changed until it is far too late.
On the other hand, sudden changes in population have immediate effects on the future growth rate of an economy and the society. For example, our mass immigration from 1998-2008 has changed Ireland profoundly and the effects will manifest themselves for a generation to come.
Worldwide, the key long-term determinant of economic performance is population, both in terms of the numbers of the people and the productivity of these people.
This is why thinking, secular Israelis are worried. A recent OECD report told them the message they least want to hear, which is that this year, for the first time ever, 50pc of all schoolgoing children are either Israeli Arabs or ultra-orthodox Jews. This means that the secular Israelis are witnessing what they have always feared, which is that they will be out-bred on one flank by the local Arabs and by the religious Jews on the other flank. They conclude that these trends mean the country will become politically more right-wing and more isolated while their ability to defend the place will diminish because the orthodox Jews don’t go to the army. All the while, the Arab population will rise which will obviously mean that the very Jewish nature of the Jewish homeland will diminish.
This is their conundrum and one for which there is no obvious way out. For many here, the conclusion would be do an honourable deal now with the Palestinians because if the Arabs just wait, they will ultimately win by sheer force of numbers. So even though many Israelis feel more secure now then they did in the intifada, the Israelis are at their most powerful and yet their most vulnerable at the same time.
As there is unlikely to be another wave of huge Jewish immigration such as there was when the Soviet Union collapsed, people argue that the best thing to do is to cut a deal now.
Others have suggested that if the crisis in Europe becomes really chaotic with a messy break-up of the euro and then the EU, the subsequent depression, which could ensue, will lead to anti-Semitism and result in a mass flight of French Jewry to Israel. This view seems fanciful, but not impossible. However, whatever probability you put on that outcome, you are still playing the numbers and, ultimately, the demographic game.
In Europe too, the numbers game matters. Just think about why there is a debt crisis in Europe. It is because the governments and people have chosen not to live within their means. If you think of debt through a demographic prism, it’s nothing more than borrowing from tomorrow to enjoy stuff today. So one generation is actually stealing from the next, particularly if the debt is incurred for silly things such as to pay bank debt which itself was incurred to buy plasma screens. It is one thing to owe money yet have hospitals to show for the debt; it is quite another thing to have huge debt and have Anglo to show for it.
Obviously, as the population changes and gets older, the chances that those coming next will be able to pay for the bloated excess of those who came before diminishes. This is the nub of the European problem. It is yet again a demographic issue.
Globalisation accelerates this demographic dilemma because if a computer programmer from Brazil is prepared to work for 30pc of the salary given to a programmer in Bray, then the ability of the programmer from Bray to pay the inherited debts and compete in the international market falls. Why should the programmer from Bray be “entitled” to or expect to earn more than the guy from Brazil indefinitely? Global demographics which lead to debts being unsustainable also force the wages of the next generation downwards.
So we have a problem, the irresistible force of increased globalisation will smash into the unmovable object of stagnant populations.
Here in Israel you would expect that, at the very least, knowledge of changing demographics should be bringing forward a peace deal, but it is not. Similarly, in Europe, knowledge of debt dynamics and demographics should be bringing forward a debt deal, but it is not. This is because humans, including leaders and decision-makers, tend to wait until a major crisis to react in panic rather than sort out issues when we have the time and the capability to do so.
Thanks for this. I have Arabic-Irish Jewish first cousins.
Time to consider an alternative to “we live on debt” financial capitalism.
Getting away from debt-multiplying capitalism will involve a lot of developments. Certainly worker-owned cooperatives are part of the solution.
The US Federation of Worker Owned Cooperatives is promoting this YouTube Channel and will be encouraging its many and growing members to upload videos.
http://www.youtube.com/user/WorkerOwned/featured
Happy Christmas David and all contributors.
Adam Byrne.
We, in future will be poleaxed by the worst combination prossible. A mediocre state that throws money at every problem, and underperforms on a persistent basis – at even the most basic tasks – and which refuses to act in the people’s interests, as it requires a change in mindset. A corrupt, cronyist private sector that is used to bailouts, state competition policy ignored, lobbyism being useful, and rampant cronyism. EU bureacracy that in some cases is getting absurd – like the EU deciding on nobbly carrots, and bent bananas. A massive debt mountain which is the property of a… Read more »
Well, the Israelis will fight in a corner, regardless of which side you may take concerning that fight. Basically, Israel does not dither when face with a crux decision. Our “leadership” tells us “it’s not your fault”, “we all partied”, “it is our responsibility”, “we have commitments to keep” (when we are about to shoot ourselves in the foot). Our leadership seems to reckon that dithering is the first responsibility of management of a situation. It was a FF/GP core capability. But now the new government are going down the same route – even if it is rarely as bad… Read more »
The folly hasn’t finished yet!
http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/12/20/the-shocking-truth-of-the-pending-eu-collapse/
In most countries, it’s the same. There is no long-term vision and thought for the next generation. The vision only relates to the government’s term in office. On the subject of demographics and the debt for future generations, the picture becomes even more depressing when we think about retirement. Debt can be wiped out, but a lot of us know we will be working until we’re almost 70 (that is if we manage to be one of those lucky enough to have a job). My great aunt is almost 80 and retired from the Army when she was in her… Read more »
Liberal lefty Israelis can’t have it both ways. If they want to live in a free Jewish Majority Israel, then they’ll have to have more children and that means having less money for nice cars and nice clothes etc…At the moment, they are relying on the more religious Jews to keep Israel jewish. So, in effect, the liberals are giving out about the people (the only people) who will protect their way of life. I’m sure the Israelis have looked at deomgraphics of muslims in non muslim majority countries. Yugoslavia comes to mind, with Bosnia in particular. Shortly after WW1,… Read more »
At last some responsible thinking on Davids part. we have 2 major problems 1. The deficit 2 . sovereign debt. We must first sort out the deficit by austerity thats more tax and more cuts. The Germans have concentrated on deficits as a starting point and will impose a 0.5% deficit target of GDP . In our case that means a deficit of 1 billion currently its 18 billion next year it will have to be 13 billion or 8.6% of GDP of 150 billion. Expect our GDP to shrink next year leading to a budget in June 2012 .… Read more »
David, maybe it is easy to train up an economist. but take it from me as an experienced manager and hirer, a good programmer is the same price everywhere. Ditto for engineers, doctors. u name it. The last 2 years trying to get low cost quality work done showed me that the low cost play is hype by those who completely misunderstsnd educational and apprentice infrastructure. This infrastructure takes 3-5 decades to ramp and it remains slow. It takes time to build the lecturer count to a level needed to maintain consistant quality. U want a good brazilian or indian… Read more »
cont`d. . . plasmas for hospitals. Please show some level of consistancy. one week u say its bankers next u say consumers? This is a bunch of tranaction managers screwing around with with our money and collecting big handling fees and if thay are paying 30% below the odds for programmers or mathematicians then it may very well explain the mess we are in.
Never mind our children not being able to pay the cost of our debt folly, we’re not going to be able to pay the cost of it either and why should we have to pay for the debt of private companies?? As many more contributors to this blog have stated the Irish people rarely take to the streets unless they really have to, but the time has now come for this laid back attitude to end. The ‘grey haired army’ came out on to the streets a few years ago and changed the government of the day’s tune in relation… Read more »
“So one generation is actually stealing from the next, particularly if the debt is incurred for silly things such as to pay bank debt which itself was incurred to buy plasma screens. It is one thing to owe money yet have hospitals to show for the debt; it is quite another thing to have huge debt and have Anglo to show for it.” could just as easily be re-written as “So one generation is actually stealing from the next, particularly if the debt is incurred for silly things such as to pay public debt. It is one thing to owe… Read more »
The issue here for me is that you claim that the people amd Govs choose to live in this way, citing a facetious example of everyone gobbling up plasma TV’s as some kind of morbid example of how the people have fallen. Nobody CHOSE this. People wake up and live and work and borrow and pay back. This is life. This is the majorities choice. I still find it fascinating that you still fail to attack the mechanations of the whole central banking system. Central banking will continue to cause excess and depression, boom boom and bust bust. This crisis… Read more »
Hi David, ‘Demography is Destiny’ is an ideological nostrum within the cornucopian ideology of capitalist economics. It has been exposed by the collision of exponential ‘hockey-stick’ increases in human population colliding with Peak Everything. All Malthus got wrong was the dates. Israel is fcuk’d. Everywhere is, but Israel is especially doomed. Israel will be the epicentre of the downfall of Abrahamic patriarchal cornucopian arrogance. It will soon be riven with new resource wars over water and energy (the newly discovered gas basin in the Eastern Med) These new resource wars will join the old wars of racial and religious tribes… Read more »
Conundrum in Mindset David : Great article. Tel Aviv and Belfast have similar destinies .The DUP must now embrace the traditional Catholic voters to maintain their influence not only in Belfast but throughout NI . There is a big difference between Israel and Ireland and that is the Irish live on an island surrounded by water and fish and suffer more rain than anywhere else .This influences evolving cultures on the island .Thus the reason for the expression ‘ more Irish than the Irish themselves’. Have you seen the various high concrete walls erected around Israel segregating the population ?… Read more »
I think Israel’s future can perhaps be summed up in one word: Israelia.
http://www.villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2011/10/israel-cedes-modernity-to-arab-spring/
The plight of Israel? Woe is Israel? Give me a break.
Zero to negative sympathy.
The very people that were corralled by the the Germans, before and during WW2, are doing the exact same thing to fellow human beings within their land.
It was wrong to corral, impoverish, starve and kill in Germany. What makes it right when done in Israel?
They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery, Adolf….take a bow.
http://www.unfpa.org/public/
You are missing the point Dorn. People are disagreeing wt the establishment. Deco 20/% of mortgages are now in arrears. The system faces a major problem it is set up for a few who won’t pay not thousands who can’t and the system will implode without some deliberate decisions not to pay but because Fianna Fail brought us to our knees and this government is making us give blow jo##. We have the property prices of 99/ 2000, the new house bulds of 1979, the car sales of the 80s. What a shower of plonkers. Happy Christmas all, change is… Read more »
In a U.N. Security Council session Dec. 20, chaired by Russian Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, who heads the Council this month, Israel was condemned by 14 out of 15 members — all but the United States — for Israeli practices of building settlements on Palestinian lands, allowing settlers to attack Palestinians and other acts of violence. Churkin “opened the mike” for members to speak out. Ambassadors spoke on behalf of whole groups, including spokesmen for the Non-Aligned Movement (120 nations), the Arab group (Lebanon Ambassador Nawaf Alam as spokesman), BRIC (Brazil, India and South Africa spokesmen), the EU (with four nations… Read more »
Just a thought that struck me this morning.
Transferring private banking debts to government debts is similar to promoting unelected bankers into government.
Sic transit gloria mundi
The Oasis Plan for Israel is the way to go – Peace via Development, especially water. Ireland has also a plan, for a very different location and from Irish Engineers : http://www.iae.ie/site_media/pressroom/documents/2009/Jun/09/Vision_of_Transport_2050.pdf To summarize : The object of this exercise was not to predict, plan or project forward the trends that are evident today, It was to cast a vision, essentially an optimistic vision, of transport in Ireland in the middle of this twenty-first century This is from : The Irish Academy of Engineering 46 Merrion Square, Dublin 2. Tel No: 00 353 1 6425588 Fax: 00 353 1 6425590… Read more »
I wonder when David was in Israel did he see a bloke with a beard, who looked a bit like a young Tim Maloney, overturning the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves?
Morning GeorgR
That’s very good,Jack Bauer….like that , very funny
They say a good laugh helps start the day.that was a good laugh…Georg,glad to see you still have razor sharp sense of humor..
Have a very merry Christmas Georg R and I wish you and yours all that is good for 2012..
Jack Bauer !…..”God,that was funny”
AndrewGMooney..
So sorry for my reply,hope I did not offend to much.
I will pay more attention in future.
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Be back shortly with a conflict resolution…………after this commercial Break !
Merry Christmas AndrewGmooney.
Hey, RR6. Chill man, no offence taken!
Didn’t intend to be curt or smart-alec.
The people on the island of Ireland have set a very inspiring example regarding conflict resolution. At radom, here’s INCORE:
http://www.incore.ulst.ac.uk/
Merry Christmas to you RR6!
John McCormack ‘Adeste Fideles’:
http://bit.ly/szk64T
Your point about the Brazilian programmer on 30% of the wages is moot, because as a quasi socialist country, wages are contolled nationally. The government decides on a 6% pay rise annually, and companies quiese. If the cost of wages alone rises by nearly 20% in just 3 years, the chances are that companies who do business in Brazil will remove their business in panic. You might not think thats happening but a large multinational is moving nearly 30 jobs “onshore” to Cork for that very reason. The wages they are paying are huge by Cork standards, ineed, even by… Read more »
So how do we generate organic indigenous growth ? A long time ago Dr Ed Walsh was castigated on the Late Late Show for suggesting that Irish graduates should emigrate and then bring the skills they have learnt home. Even the Wolfe Tones saw the sense in this “And sure maybe there’s something you’ll learn or you’ll see And you can bring it back home make it easy on me” As a small island, largely fed with information from Politicians, and Businesses who consider Ireland a dumping ground for products which did not sell elsewhere, 1980’s Ireland had no concept… Read more »
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