Ireland is about to move into the Repo Man phase of its credit and debt cycle. This phase is not pretty, because when the repossessor comes to get you, things can turn very nasty, very quickly.
If you saw the 1984 movie Repo Man with Emilio Estevez, you’ll know what I mean. Now the Repo Man is coming for the professional classes. Houses and assets will be seized, causing a massive dislocation in the higher, respectable echelons of Irish polite society.
Over the past few weeks, there have been numerous stories about large sections of the professional classes in Ireland going bust. The tales involve sketchy details about professionals – doctors, dentists, lawyers, accountants, bank managers and senior heads in the financial outfits all around the country – who got in over their heads in boom-time investments which went sour.
It may be difficult to feel sorry for some people who borrowed big in the hope of a quick buck. The professions are not the obvious recipients of sympathy in Ireland, but bear with me, because the story of what happened next to Ireland’s mid-ranking property players is an interesting and cautionary one.
In reality, the still-solvent mid-tier property investor is in a worse position than the big developer who went spectacularly bust. When the mega-developers went wallop, they did so in grandiose style and, after a year or two in bankruptcy purdah, they are back again.
For the professional classes, so obsessed with respectability and outward signs of success, the ramifications of their money mistakes have been ongoing and are not yet over. Not nearly.
Now that foreign vulture funds have come in to buy many of these assets at a discount, the presumption is that, while these professionals have taken a hit and are now out of pocket, they are off the hook. After all, haven’t those assets that they owned been sold, albeit for way less than they were valued at in 2007?
So the barristers and doctors and the like who owned the assets are sore, but at least they’re out of the woods. Right?
Wrong. This is not the case.
The banks have sold the assets to the foreigners and the difference between what the assets were sold for and the original value on the banks’ balance sheets is covered by Nama bonds. This is what the taxpayer is picking up. Nama hopes to minimise this bill, over time. This debate is a topic for a different day.
What interests me now is what happens to the money that was borrowed in the first place. Where does that go? Who is responsible? And why is it important, in these cases, to follow the money?
To understand the lasting legacy of the credit collapse in Ireland, we need to understand the dynamics of this debt.
The reason this lesson is important now is the fact that the “property thing” might start up again, and people’s memories are short. In order to prevent a second generation being beguiled and ultimately destroyed by property schemes, it is important to understand what happens when the market turns.
A building bought with debt in the boom separates in the bust between the asset itself and the debt associated with it. Because the vast majority of the deals done in the boom were debt-financed, the debt element remains, for the original investor, the anvil around his or her neck.
When the professional could borrow at 5 per cent and was promised a 50 per cent return if the market kept going up, you can see easily how they could get into debt in huge amounts.
To see what is happening, take the following hypothetical situation, dealing with round numbers.
Let’s say the original building was bought for €100,000. The professional bought this using a split of debt and equity. He put in €20,000 in cash and borrowed €80,000. He borrowed the €80,000 from the bank in a normal loan which, in the event of the deal going pear-shaped, would have to be paid. These were personal loans maybe pledged against the family home or some other assets. Although they appeared to be linked to the building in question, they were loans.
In the crash, the value of the building falls by, say, €60,000. So it is now valued at €40,000. This means that the equity the investor had is totally wiped out. It was wiped out when the price of the building fell below €80,000.
The bank sells it for €40,000.
At this stage, the building is split between the asset and the loans. The loans are now assets in themselves. The bank tries to recover some value for the building, and then something strange happens: the loans are sold to a vulture fund.
The professional still owes €40,000 to the bank, but the bank knows that it won’t get the money back in the short term. During the past few years, the bank has had a steady-as-she-goes approach with these loans, stretching out credit terms, putting the loans on interest only, and making sure that the loans don’t default.
But now we are into a very different stage of the debt repayment cycle. It is a stage that may see thousands of professionals pushed into bankruptcy. There is a new player on the block who wants his money back and wants it quickly.
Getting back to our example, a bank exiting Ireland or closing down – such as IRBC or Danske Bank – sells the over hang loan – €40,000 – to a new vulture fund for, say, €20,000. Then the vulture fund pursues the professional for the full €40,000, hoping to make €25,000 in the process.
This is where the change has come in recent months – and, in a sense, we are now in the final phase of the great Irish property crash; the Repo Man phase. These new debt collectors are a totally different proposition to Irish banks. The guys who are coming to get paid in full have a similar 3-30 rule to the vultures who are buying assets. They want to be here for three years, and want a minimum of 30 per cent return for their efforts.
If they can get more, it will be a bonus – but they won’t settle for less.
And after years of forbearance, we are now moving into the final liquidation phase, where houses and other assets pledged as collateral for the boom-time move into property will get repossessed.
It’s not going to be pretty on the leafy greens of Ireland’s swankier golf clubs.
I bet most of these professionals will get away with it. Their loan documents will be found to be incomplete / faulty or they will have transferred the title of the home to their wife’s / children’s names. These big guys have had a lot of time since the crash to squirm out of their commitments.
They always get away with it.
Yeah but there is also the real probability that there are many “serial defaulters” may have hidden assets ready to pay off the loans.
One of the first suspicions about those who cant pay was, THEY CAN PAY, BUT WONT.
We shall see who comes up with the dosh once the trophy house is on the line. Subscribe.
We are now at the point where the tyre hits the road! I ave a further comment but it will have to wait until later, I have a meeting with the Bank Manager….
It’s all a myth they have no money. Did they eat It didn’t give It to the banks? Likely buried around the coast in a 8 bed room house If not here In Bulgaria Spain ? ,
You are saying that “vulture funds” are taking advantage of the fact that “exiting banks” are unwilling to accept the social disapprobation of evicting its defaulting borrowers, that these banks can realize the full value of their loans (in your example €40,000) if they are willing to proceed with evicting defaulting borrowers. How else could these “vulture funds” make 100% profit in three years unless Irish property values double with that time? You are therefore either saying that “exiting banks” (whoever they are) are leaving 50% on the table or you are predicting that Irish property values will double in… Read more »
Thanks for this ‘feel-good’ story David, brightened up my day.
Neither a borrower nor a lender be.
I feel very mixed about this. It is a shame that people might be forced to suffer, but I think it is important that the message get across that buying a house on the back of bank credit carries risk, and if you get on the wrong side of that risk, you’ll suffer. The message is less for those people currently going to get bitch slapped, but more for everybody else. Oh look it can go bad and that does happen. Sadly this is an idealised view, banks haven’t being pursuing repossessions in any significant way. Because a) the government… Read more »
I need to ask a question. What amnesia is everyone talking about? Everyone repeatedly mentions how stupid the Irish people are for wanting to own their own home – that they learnt nothing from the boom, that they will make the same mistakes again. If you are talking about idiot investors who bought 16 buy-to-lets then yes, there will always be those types of investors, always, nothing to do with property; they will just react to any carrot of immense profit that requires no work. But I need a home for my family. The lack of security I have renting… Read more »
I’m sick of all the anti-professional class BS on these comments. The professional classes are just people who are doing a job and contributing to society, yes some are good with “reclassifying” their assets than others but some are also dimwits. It’s no different than local sme owners like some shop keepers or farmers or the like. McWilliams himself is a professional. We need professionals and I don’t like the virulent abuse of professionals when in general they did not do anything wrong here. Some of you people are using the example of the cute few to stain whole sections… Read more »
Hi, Stop stating the obvious and go back to your far more important work on explaining to your readership that the reason the world is in the shit hole it is (with the newly arrived former Irish middle classes) is because the return to capital as opposed to the return to labour is so lopsided it is accurate to say the western world’s economic system is more accurately described as fascist than capitalist. This video says it better than I can a real live capitalist saying that reducing taxes on the stupendously rich is a BAAAAAAADDDDDDDDD idea for the middle… Read more »
Hi again GF Ha ha, I am frustrated with the system/banks because they won’t turf out people so that it puts more stock back on the market and thus reduce the price and make it more affordable. You see the system is banjaxed, but view it as (one of the many) inefficiencies in the system that can be exploited. If you get into a house the banks don’t kick you out, hence a house, unlike the more volatile rental space. I think my way is idealised and probably naive, yours in realistic and will probably the way it will work,… Read more »
It doesn’t give me a warm fuzzy feeling to see these people getting into trouble like this, why should they suffer more than anyone else? Why doesn’t the Govt. purchase these knock-down loans and hand them over to their banks and continue them in the normal way? Letting the vulture capitalists and the repo-men loose on any section of the public is a bad thing for all of us.
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/10/6_John_Embry_-_We_Are_Nearing_A_Violent_Change_In_The_Markets.html Lies and deceit are the tools of government. Propaganda is issued and printed for digestion by the masses. This posting is not directly on topic. However everyone should look long and hard at the real economic prospects and that includes each individual on their own account. As a professional Realtor for 32 years I always gave the following advice to this question. “When is a good time to buy a house?” The answer, When you are ready and able.” That is buy within your capacity to service the costs of ownership. The Mortgage and taxes are just one aspect.… Read more »
In D’s analysis above the bank and its role raises in my mind the following questions; the bank’s funding of the asset 80,000 euro is key. This 80,000 is not the banks debt. It is the debt of the loanee. The banks treat the 80,000 as a business opportunity to raise interest revenue or cash in on the property if the loanee cannot meet their obligation on the debt the banks sell the property for 40,000. The banks do not lose 40,000. The banks GAIN 40,000. The debt the banks provided the loanee was indeed invented out of this through… Read more »
GF As much as I dislike renting I don’t feel renting is dead money. Unfortunately, a bad landlord can make renting a living nightmare. But my point is I would not dream of buying a house where I presently live, whereas I don’t mind renting in the area. The thought of buying an over-priced shoe-box in this yucky area would be utterly depressing, plus I would use up our life savings on a deposit, that means no spare cash while living PERMANENTLY in an area that we only tolerate on the basis we are transient renters. We would prefer to… Read more »
ps new mortgage cap
Multiple analysis of housing markets historically show beyond doubt that average house prices are solely determined by the amount of credit available. If this proposed 3.5xincome cap comes into effect then average house prices in Ireland will be priced accordingly. Daft.ie are calculating the price to be 200k. But that’s still way above the 35k average salary, perhaps they mean 200k for a couple.
Well in some ways this is an opportunity. Taking McWilliams example; if the loan buyer paid €20K and is looking for a 30% profit over 3-years, then an offer of €24K now should be sufficient to buy back that €40K debt.
Here in California most loan are non-recourse i.e. a lender only gets to take back the property, and can’t go after the borrower for any deficit. Had the government been any good they’d have retrospectively done that for any loans they controlled. People have suffered enough.
I’m not really seeing a crisis here I have to say. Dentist borrows 40K from bank, bank can’t get it back and dentist man hasn’t made a repayment on the loan since 2010. If it is an unsecured loan, then Repo man has to go to court to get a judgement. If the defendant has not the means to repay, then enforcement is pointless and ultimately loss making. Investigating whether the defendant has the means to repay or not, will also eat into the margin on the “Repo” job. Even if the loan is secured, a judgement is necessary and… Read more »
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